tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post5307940768468688936..comments2023-06-14T17:51:46.718+02:00Comments on My Reading Lounge: Writing Lab: showing and telling in "Offside" by Savage7289Raumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14103151749008178944noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-86184508576260556022011-06-23T18:00:57.176+02:002011-06-23T18:00:57.176+02:00Hi oldmeone,
thanks for joining the discussion!
...Hi oldmeone,<br /><br />thanks for joining the discussion!<br /><br />- Raum <br />ps: if you have problems signing in to leave comments, drop me an email, other users reported that, I don't know why it happens, but I can add your name if you want me to.Raumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103151749008178944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-56524692855865961392011-06-23T17:55:35.286+02:002011-06-23T17:55:35.286+02:00I don’t believe in redemption, my experience said ...I don’t believe in redemption, my experience said so, but that doesn’t meant that I don’t appreciate a good novel/ story, like many other women I turn into fanfic reading just to go away from real life for a while. Did That mean I believe he HEA?, the Disney or fairytale ending in RL? No.<br />I just enjoy a good writer who can manipulate feelings while reading it and exhort an opinion about the characters also enjoy a story where I can imagine the environment and places where the story take place in. <br />Savage’s stories make the above happen and I’m glad about it because make some of the hard day vanished into a self discussion about how should or shouldn’t a person has to behavior in to the world.<br /><br />Remember a story/ novel is just that, a writer’s fantasy,<br /><br />sorry is a anonymous couldn't sign in<br />oldmeoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-84989566859130987122011-06-22T23:02:19.236+02:002011-06-22T23:02:19.236+02:00Another thing I'd like to point out is that in...Another thing I'd like to point out is that in "Offside" Edward is not 100 years old, as in "Hide and Drink," nor 30 years old, as in "Could be worse...," but he's 17 (and he hasn't been seventeen "for a while" ;-D)Raumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103151749008178944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-5404722890727977892011-06-22T22:34:31.374+02:002011-06-22T22:34:31.374+02:00Hi Miaokuancha!
I appreciate that Savage's fi...Hi Miaokuancha!<br /><br />I appreciate that Savage's fics make the readers discuss so much. So far, I consider Soccerward better developed than the Edward of other stories by the same author, as "Could be worse, right?"<br /><br />In my (humble) opinion, one of Savage's main points is that men (and women, of course) are not divided just into "evil" vs. "good."<br />I hated Soccerward in the first chapters of "Offiside," then I cried for him. <br />What happened (in me)?<br />If an author can elicit so many contrasting feelings in her readers, I guess she's at least worth to be discussed.<br /><br />Savage usually gives a lot of attention to Edward. Edward is absolutely my favorite character in the saga, but if we look closely at his story, he's more "doucheward" even than Savage's characters.<br />Edward in "Twilight" is a killer, and a serial killer as well. Does he "deserve" the chance to be loved by Bella? To try to do something better with his (very long) life?<br /><br />Redemption, in my opinion, doesn't mean that someone who did something terrible will be a *perfect* man, that he won't screw up anything again...it CAN happen, we can HOPE that it will happen, but it's very rare. But surely the redeemed character is supposed to go through a big change: e. g., Edward won't kill humans anymore, although he screws up other things ('New Moon' and the way he behaves with Bella is a clear example).<br /><br />In real life, there are many shades to consider: <br />-- I've read the discussion about "Could be worse..." on 'A different forest,' and I believe that for someone who knows first-hand violence, <br />admitting redemption for a person responsible of that same violence is a huge step.<br />-- in "Offside," the story is focused on Edward's redemption, but what about Edward's Dad? Does anyone wish him a HEA? Why yes, why not?<br /><br />Let me know your thoughts and keep me posted about your opinion about the story if you read it!!<br /><br />- RaumRaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103151749008178944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-22926703456679813522011-06-22T19:51:34.273+02:002011-06-22T19:51:34.273+02:00Well, I have to say, given the first chapter, and ...Well, I have to say, given the first chapter, and this author's other stories, I was ready to dismiss this story as yet another doucheward that I would be just as glad not to read. I am really sick and tired of, and sincerely hate, male protagonists who feel nothing but disdain, or else contemptuous using lust, for every single female on the planet except that magic one girl that he ends up falling for. <br /><br />It infuriates me that such a male gets a pass on his disgusting attitudes and behavior just because he is Edward and uber-hot, sexy, talented, whatever, and we know he is eventually destined to be redeemed. What does this say about authors' and readers' attitudes toward ourselves and other women? What does that say about our expectations or fantasies about relations between men and women?<br /><br />In addition, this particular trope then makes the female protagonist a blatant self-insert Mary Sue. It also makes the male's 'reformation' so implausible. <br /><br />Real men or boys who really see all females except their "Chosen One" as annoying/skanky cunts or just fugly do not magically become respectful, caring, attentive, kind, supportive wonderful lovers/friends/partners. Personally I have never seen a man with that kind of attitude actually change. He may turn on the charm to pursue a woman whom he desires until he acquires her. Then, even if an enduring relationship ensues, the old ugly attitudes come back to the fore and the woman is the one saddled with the task of accommodating herself to them, including the puerile infidelities that are invariably part of the relationship. DSK, Governator, Weiner, to name the most recent three.<br /><br />From your quote, I can see that Savage has presented a good case for sympathy for Edward, as well as conditions that might have produced his disgusting attitudes. I may or may not venture to read - the implausibility factor of the change that Bella will eventually engender in him is a huge obstacle for me - but I will certainly concede sympathy for his home situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-28772358435234962252011-06-22T16:14:37.997+02:002011-06-22T16:14:37.997+02:00Loved this, I am so glad we're reading this to...Loved this, I am so glad we're reading this too!RoseArcadiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15042844994096043391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312442398930078026.post-49208623620957845012011-06-22T12:55:46.052+02:002011-06-22T12:55:46.052+02:00to my friends Camilla and Rags: this one above is ...to my friends Camilla and Rags: this one above is for you!<br /><br />to Emergency Beta Service: you rock!<br /><br />to Rose Arcadia: I'm glad we're both enjoying so much this fic!<br /><br />- RaumRaumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14103151749008178944noreply@blogger.com